Continued from the "About Banning" thread since it was suggested to have its own thread. Full discussion starts here: About banning

The topic is with regards to the BC3 ultra cut being a legitimate cut. Without question, it is an accepted short cut among the community, and it has been accepted since 2008. I know, we like our game to be free of cheats, but frankly, the BC3 ultra is a no-brainer in its acceptance and it is not regarded as a cheat by the community, the players who make the game what it is. It has always been held with high regard, a regular component of the MKWii metagame. The BC3 ultra is as regular and accepted as the DK Summit double, and it is baffling that players are being kicked for taking it. The reasoning behind the kicking is that it's unfair to other vehicles. Vehicle handicap has never been even a remote issue among the community. And, for good reason (because all vehicles can take the ultra). It saddens me that players are being kicked for enjoying the game as they have always enjoyed it since the ultra's discovery. Isn't the point of continuing MKWii with this great service provided by Wiimm and Leseratte so that we can continue playing how we love to?

Given its long-standing acceptance, how are fair-minded players who've been conditioned to play the game with the ultra supposed to respond to being kicked for something that is regarded as perfectly fine? The last thing we need is for players to get kicked for fair play, reasons they cannot possibly wrap their heads around. Do not be surprised if continued kicking causes a backlash. As a player who is strongly anti-cheat, a lover of fair play, and who has been in the community since 2009 and played since 2008, kicking for this reason horrifies me. Please, don't take away our enjoyment of the game.

Anyway, continuing the discussion:



Worldwides have their own competitive nature to them, and it seems you are out of touch with the nature in which they're played. Yes, they're more slack, but top players still use them in worldwides, especially in pro worldwides. The BC3 ultra defines the metagame, and it's part of the fun of the game.

Now then, I'll have to invalidate your point with evidence:

My shroomless Wild Wing ultra:


Shroomless Prowler Ultra: Look at the size of the kart. Prowler is also slow as balls.


Some things about karts. They get default low jumps, so you would think the ultra is impossible. They are bulky in size. Sprinter is bulkier than Wild Wing, and it, too, can make it--I've done it. The slowest bikes and karts can make it with shrooms, and they usually get stuck with nothing but shrooms throughout the entirety of any given race because they're too slow to frontrun, anyway. As an underused vehicle user, I can assure you that I have never once complained about bikes taking the ultra even on days where I never bothered.

It seems you are drawing your conclusion from lack of success in your attempts, or you simply have not tried, speculatively speaking. This is with all due respect, of course, so I hope you don't take that the wrong way.

I urge you to reconsider your stance on kicking anyone who takes the BC3 ultra. As I have demonstrated, it is clearly not a bike-only cut.